Some friends and neighbors find that hard to believe. It is not necessary to the case against her that she owned the killing gun (and it would be foolish to have used it). I hope she suffers and goes insane from loneliness. I would suggest you take the time to read the book or, at least watch the documentaries which STICK TO THE FACTS, and then comment. But because there is no author of this page, I would like you to contact me on the Free Patricia Rorrer facebook page. He had worked as a semi-pro boxer in Las Vegas in his youth and later settled into his own construction business. Ive scanned through of all my remarks on this site and nowhere have a seen a single remark that confirms your assertion that Ive been insulting. You know whats interesting? Nailed? Thats all for this post. Join Facebook to connect with Andrew Katrinak and others you may know. Katrinak, Andrew J.Andrew Joseph Katrinak, 88, of Bethlehem, died on Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at Blough Healthcare Center in Bethlehem. Shes where she belongs in prison for the rest of her life. So where they alive somewhere, and if so how could of Patricia, who was questioned, with not one mark on her kill them? You can PM me please, this way you can update your article with the correct information. The authorities charged her with two counts of murder. Arkansas (1) Colorado (4) Connecticut (1) Pennsylvania (2) Virginia (2) Refine Your Search Results. I noticed quite a few errors myself. I have all her moms and her jewelry that was given to me when my mom passed away. You can choose on each post whether you would like it to be posted to Facebook. Hege had jail inmates search the woods behind Rorrer's house on Wilson Road. Pat is locked in a cage because shes an animal. By. Stop defending her when she is guilty!!!!! Then you claim this is an opinion. ANDREW Tate has complained "they won't let me leave" in another whinge from prison after claiming he is suffering from a "serious health condition". And Patricia wasnt all edges. She is 100% guilty seen 2 programs on this awful murder and read about it as well. The first rule of a murder is motive. Unless theres a complicity between him and her, and the reason she didnt divulge it is because she hopes to put all the blame on him, when she was the one to murder and he was a planner. The state police targeted Rorrer as a suspect that summer, and troopers traveled to North Carolina eight or nine times, Kohuth said. Murder in Lehigh Valley: Keith Morrison Reports, The Lindbergh Kidnapping: Forensic Files Lost Episode, Dawn Fehring: A Missionary Dies Too Young, Joanne Chambers and Paula Nawrocki: Strange Lesson. 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This article is little more than fiction. However, while sticking solely to the Rorrer case, the issue of the husbands alibi is very much open to doubt if one takes into consideration what the documentary, STARZ-The Wrong Man (in two parts) has revealed. Andrew Tate 's legal team has claimed he has a tumour as the detained influencer faces another month in a Romanian prison. According to Pennsylvania State Police, Rorrer met Andrew Katrinak, the husband and father of the victims, in 1986. They lived together in Salisbury Township, Pa., for about two years, but they broke up in 1989. Trash-talking ex. Rorrer liked trading and training horses, Myers said, because she didn't have to put her 1-year-old daughter in day care. I want to keep the tons of old jewelry but Im perplexed. Did Patricia have the dyed blond hair when they broke up in 1993? The state made a case fueled by circumstantial evidence and public outrage over the deaths of a modern-day madonna and child. 4 Matches for Andrew Katrinak . This FBI report, of the hairs being unable to yield a DNA result because of the absent root material, was never revealed to Rorrers defence. 2023 Advance Local Media LLC. No show. You seem to have a fragile ego. No charmed life. That, as well as measurements of the babys head (revealing the infant to be of a more advanced age) very much suggest they were killed some considerable time after what was believed at her trial. I deduced my opinion to be fact because of what Ive read and seen and is supported by evidence which was never disclosed at her trial. She will be taken to Pennsylvania today to face trial. The district attorney's office dismissed as offensiveNeely's implications on the evidence, according to the newspaper's report. For this week, I looked into the defenders reasoning as well as Patricias whereabouts today. Instead of presenting hard facts, all I see are words and phrases that are purely speculative.. such as perhaps. All rights reserved. Probably by the jeans and the boots. (Disclaimer: Im not a big fan of eyewitnesses who come forward years after the fact, but its possible). Theres something very important to this case that needs to be mentioned more than anything else THE GUN. For one thing, her mother never asked Sandra Ireland to hide the gun, and she retrieved it on the way home the next day she worked as a bus driver and couldnt take it with her to school. Highly charged case. Im quite happy to accept that ANYONE who makes a TV documentary makes it for money. Microconidia DNA, as long as the strand is one inch long they can pull the DNA from that. Dial-a-problem. I finally had to stop reading this stupid article. Some people are just monsters. Whatever the truth is. Some volunteered their own time for this duty, Hege said. More likely it reflects a relative reluctance to execute females as well as the pendency of what will be the last episode of DNA investigation. Wouldnt that verify Troutmans claim that the husband was arguing with the victim, in a rage? An infant was lying face down on her stomach. Patricia Rorrer has been portrayed as a bully, petty thief, neglectful horse owner, and heartless killer or a sweet, caring friend railroaded by authorities desperate to solve a double-murder case that snagged worldwide interest. They depict scenes which are pure speculation or exaggeration or present scenes, which in fact were only theories mentioned at her trial. I noticed that her defense lawyer and others advocating for her is not mentioning more about the gun. "Andrew was diagnosed with a serious medical condition in December 2022 whilst he was in Dubai," his representative told The Sun Online. Your email address will not be published. Rest in peace Joann and Alex. Charles Robert, the 3-month-old son she had with Gary Gabard, died of sudden infant death syndrome; Patricia found him blue in his crib. He wanted to move to Colorado and she was against it.. Mr Freeman, Why are youre rude about others who disagree with your OPINION (including jury and appeal judges)? If not, how could Andrew have obtained samples of Patricias hair if they apparently didnt meet up in person after Andrews marriage? Patricia Rorrer was a cold woman. Sir I would not kill somebody and I definitely wouldnt kill somebody I never met, Rorrer said. Rorrer, formerly of the Phillipsburg and High Bridge areas, was living in Linwood, North Carolina,. False. Play it now! Personal details about Andrew include: political affiliation is unknown; ethnicity is Caucasian; and religious views are listed as unknown. The investigation is a bit out of place, but the DNA test can be altered only if its made just from a pen, because otherwise it is not possible, only if they said they did it and didnt actually do it, which would be quite difficult because it would mean complicity between many persons. Forensic Files didnt mention it, but the hairs were actually brown at the top and the rest dyed blond, according to the show Autopsy Six: A Fatal Attraction. Andrew married Mary A Katrinak (born Ondek). Women like Barbara Stager who killed her husband in Durham NC. All of them returned without a DNA analysis because they contained no root material. Patricia made daily phone calls every day but made no calls at all the day before, of and after Joannes murder as she was traveling and knew her phone could track her location. I find it weird that youre going to kill a woman just because she hung up on you and maybe tell you some shitty world because you call like an ex. Joanns first husband, New Jersey construction worker Michael Jack, who had reportedly abused her during their marriage, also had a solid alibi. Clearly, there are a lot of irrational people out there. Let me simplify this for you in religion, one is taught there is a God. I can only suggest you read through my comments again, only more thoroughly. And when Patricia was taken into custody where they removed 39 hairs with root, and then all of a sudden after the FBI report say that the hair tested had NO ROOT ATTACHED, the hair tested had a root? Not everything is a conspiracy. At the trial, prosecutor Michael McIntyre alleged that Patricia remained obsessed with Andrew Katrinak long after their breakup despite testimony that shed had many boyfriends and live-in lovers to occupy her bandwidth. Sign up for our newsletter to keep reading. I think shes guilty for sure. She made an effort to look perfectly groomed even when she took out the trash, according to her mother, who appeared on Forensic Files. Andrew described his existence with Joanne and Alex as a little Camelot., Ex-spouse off list. He had worked as a semi-pro boxer in Las Vegas in his youth and later settled into his own construction business. Your comment will be posted to MailOnline as usual. The Duke of York is set to lose 250,000-a-year in funding from the King as part of a shake-up of private royal finances and has had to sell off assets including a 19million ski chalet to cover the costs of settling the sex scandal case with Virginia Roberts Giuffre - a victim of Jeffrey Epstein. I expect she will admit it one day. And the obvious answer is that the makers too think the evidence is against her. Sadly, those who defend Rorrer do not want to be confused by the truth. Stop trying to prove that everyone who is prosecuted is rightfully prosecuted. Now, there are suggestions the family's solution to Andrew potentially losing his home could be to move him into the 'nest egg' Fergie purchased as an investment for their daughters, Princess Beatrice, 34, and Princess Eugenie, 32. What the prosecution failed to disclose to Rorrers defence team was that the cops, in their zeal to prove their gun theory, visited several addresses of which Rorrer was resident, dug up the gardens in which she was known to do target practice recovered several shell casings and bullets (more than 70), had them ballistically tested, but NOT ONE was found to be a match to the bullet recovered from the victim. Andrew also stated that when Pat called and Joann answered she had instructed her not to call again because they were married and they were happy. Patricia also pointed out that when author Tammy Mal started her research and speaking to me, she was not an advocate at all but she reversed and ended up advocating for Patricias innocence. A man normally wouldnt care about killing a child, but a woman normally would have some kind of abhorrence to harming an innocent child. Prince Andrew has offered to manage some of the prestigious Royal estates as part of his negotiations to leave his Royal mansion, Royal insiders have claimed that the King said 'there is no chance' of Andrew being allowed to manage the Royal estates, The Duke of York had offered to take over the management of Balmoral Castle - his late mother's beloved summer residence. Neighbors remember seeing her place the child on horses for short rides. It showed her usually all-brown hair haphazardly highlighted blond. There was also forensic evidence, obviously planted by them crooked cops, according to defenders. You ought to acquaint yourself thoroughly with the case and not allow yourself to get any further elevated on your high horse. You are not expressing an opinion but making an assertion or claim of fact: [I] have absolutely no doubt she was railroaded and wrongfully convicted. You are claiming innocence as fact there is no doubt shes innocent. Her alibi about going to the club, called Cowboys Nitelife, got fuzzy when investigators discovered she hadnt signed the guest book on that day. Not normal folks obsessed ones do. Rorrers filed multiple appeals over issues you raise, the latest recently and rejected. She definitely did it. Sorry ladiesher hair was in the car and at the scene.she murdered them. They also revealed that the Duke had pleaded with the King for an increased Royal responsibility as he feels 'he deserves to still be treated like a senior royal'. She and Andrew Katrinak shared a house in Salisbury Township in the mid-1980s, when he was a self-employed contractor and she was a real-estate agent. Judge Douglas Reichley heard arguments on the motion for post-conviction relief but did not issue a timeline for making a ruling, according to the Lehigh County District Attorney's Office. I think Patricias defenders are implying the hair came from some unknown person. Your email address will not be published. Pennsylvania troopers will take her to Bethlehem, Pa., today. As for him, yes, it looks like the first suspect, but if he had alibis, quite hard to accuse of actually doing it, and I understand it was a pretty solid one. BROADCASTING SPECULATIVE SCENES, SUCH AS MENTIONED ABOVE, CAN LEAVE A VERY INDELIBLE MEMORY ON THOSE WHO ARE HAPPY TO REMAIN GULLIBLE. So you see, MY STATE OF MIND is based on factual information. Rorrer was sentenced to two life sentences at the women's state prison in Muncy, Pennsylvania. Id wanna be done with that shite quick too.. meh what do I know! The difference was made by the investigation, Interpol has some good detectives who do not play with peoples freedom and who do not use American techniques such as pictures, lets compare hair color after pictures bullshit, not even with the performance of todays cameras such a thing is not allowed, the issue of dismantling the alibi only with indirect evidence, like that her name was not in the notebook, a European court would withdrew it immediately, you cant go with a thing like this, its called inconclusive proof, even the fact that one of the witnesses said that the business was not opened where she said it was that day, its inconclusive, the accused can say that he/she forgot, was there and left, and his alibi I dont know how it was verified, but what should been verified first were the contacts between him and her, if he contacted her before that, if she had been contacted from public phone for example before the murder, how many times, when etc, if he was near the places where she was until the murder, things like that. One lengthy sentence which goes on and on and concludes with one of my sentences from a previous comment! After a very early failed marriage, the 24-year-old Joann scored a new husband in Andrew Katrinak, 38, whom she met at a club. Its an opinion learnt from a well-researched book, from documentaries which show and mention a great deal of facts and evidence which was never brought up at her trial. ), And in another bombshell, Joanns good friend Karen Devine said Joann planned to leave Andrew after the holidays. Plus a FB group that I was in included some people who grew up with her and they confirmed that she was indeed a horrible mean person who was easily enraged and always looking for a fight. Am I supposed to believe that she was still so enraged a week later, that she drove almost 10 hours, in a conspicuous van with a bad U-joint, to kill this woman and her baby? She never had anyone testify against her but an ex-boyfriend! Just one example. Does it actually have to be an obligatory duty for anyone to be present at a trial before they are able to have an opinion? Myers knew little about Rorrer's troubles. She made Joanne kill the baby PLEASE. Traupman claimed that when he reported the dispute, trooper Robert V. Egan III got mad and practically kicked him out of his office. There is a term in law called balance of probabilities, which basically means that guilt is assigned when there is a preponderance of evidence that would lead a rational person to conclude that the person did it. I thought the justice system in my state and the people were narrow-minded and corrupt. Other family members and associates include Paige Keenan . Shes attracted the help of writer Tammy Mal (full name Tammy Malinowski OReilly), author of Convenient Suspect, a book about the case. And the obvious answer is not as you claim. THE COPS SET HER UP. Have you read the book? M.L. I fail to see exactly why someone cant have an opinion which he/she sees as fact. Her mother, Patricia Chambers, provided day care for their baby son, Charles. After the King told the Duke of York of planned budget cuts to royal funds, the disgraced royal has since refused to leave his 30-bedroom Royal Lodge in Windsor. PS Speculative lies is meaningless. He had worked as a semi-pro boxer in Las Vegas in his youth and later settled into his own construction business. ``I can't believe I was alone with her,' a tearful Bruner said Tuesday evening. I have worked for Interpol for years as a gun analyst, usually women who commit such crimes against their exes wife or mistress, lover etc are pushed from behind by a man and promises and lies. Unfortunately for Joanne this psycho took it badly. Another witness, Walter Traupman, who never testified, had told state troopers that on the day of Joanns disappearance, he saw a couple who looked like Joann and Andrew arguing about the paternity of a baby. Tommy Lynn Sells admitted to killing a 9-10 old boy in Indiana I think and the mom Julie (cant remember her last name) was jailed mainly due to the ex-husband (father of her son) testified and said things that werent true. Four months after Joanns disappearance, farmer Paul Kovalchik reported seeing what at first looked like a pile of clothes on his land in Heidelberg Township woods, about 15 miles from the Katrinaks house. At 6 a.m. on June 24, 1997, police arrested Patricia at her modest house in Linwood, North Carolina, and took her back to Pennsylvania. ALISON BOSHOFF: As Broadchurch star Andrew Buchan and Leila Farzad become a real-life item while sexual electricity crackles between them in new BBC drama, did an earlier role of his give a . They were people that knew her, not Andrew. (Media sources vary as to whether she actually worked at the stable or just rented a stall there for her own horse.). You may not use our site or service, or the information provided, to make decisions about employment, admission, consumer credit, insurance, tenant screening or any other purpose that would require FCRA compliance. And yikes, he discovered someone had cut one of the houses phone lines and pried the hinge on the basement door. Thank you and well said. The 36-year-old former kickboxer and his brother have been imprisoned in Romania since late December on suspected rape and human trafficking offences. Another former boyfriend said she talked about Andrew frequently and liked to gaze at old photos of him. She was bubbly and likable, not disgruntled, according to friend Kathy Barber, who visited her friend in jail. After relocating to Pennsylvania, Patricia met the 6-foot-2-inch Andrew in a restaurant. True, Andrew would have no way to acquire and plant Patricias blond hair there because it wasnt that color when she knew him. I didnt know about the supposed SIDS death of Rorrers first-born. If you want to help her tell her to ask God for forgiveness. The difference between the cases was that the child was not injured and the individual wrote down the details of the plan in a notebook, but otherwise it seems extremely similar to me. His wife's vehicle was discovered in a parking lot 100 yards away from their house. There is way too much doubt in this case for my comfort. Incriminating words. I comment on these forums because they are the only places offering the opportunity to, hopefully, bring awareness to those whore unfamiliar with this case and her unfair plight. It was winter which are cold in PA and would slow down decomposition and minimize insect activity although you are correct about the rodentswhy were there none? Buckingham Palace and the Duke of York have been approached by MailOnline for comment. The only record of a call from Patricia to the Katrinak household was on 12/7/94. !) and detractors (This is another bs attempt to free a psycho). He was happy. Although I would have liked it to be death! The couple moved into Andrew's sturdy brick house at 740 Front Street in Catasauqua, Pennsylvania. Thank you Kerry. Prince Andrew has offered to run some of the prestigious Royal estates as part of his negotiations to leave his Royal mansion - with King Charles reportedly telling him 'there is no chance of that happening'. All this talk about hairs and other DNA just seems to keep deflecting away from the gun itself. It was Patricias hair no question. Those bodies would have been manipulated by something around there. I mean the husband did do some shady things maybe he was involved? Anyone who thinks this psycho isnt guilty needs to take off their tin hat. And last but not least, the fact that Michael McIntyre comes across as mentally unstable. However, my curiosity is piqued as to why Andrews mother didnt report the missing daughter in law, Joanne and her own grandson Alex! Find 4 people named Andrew Katrinak along with free Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, and TikTok profiles on PeekYou - true people search. On Alexs diaper bag, police found strands of the same type of hair from the car. As to her duration on death row, no: inference cannot be made as to her guilt as theres a woman with about the same time (Holberg) and another with almost as much. The couple moved into Andrew's sturdy brick house at 740 Front Street in Catasauqua, Pennsylvania. Joanne and Alex didnt disappear until 12/15. Patty was soooo obsessed with Andy that she moved away to North Carolina some 5 years before this happened, right? Susan Wright is out of prison after killing her husband in TX. The only thing that has changed since this case is the ability of people to access and proclaim crackpot ideas, conspiracies, and all the rest. ``This woman was a possible double murderer, so we had to protect the people out there,' Hege said. All Filters. Re Sells, the problem viz some serial killers is in exaggerating the number as a badge of honour. Perhaps she used more than one gun using another/others for the target shooting than the one she killed with (and others shot with her?) Prosecutor pounds away. How about the mix up with the hair and the fact that it was not forensically tested (outside of the one man who compared the hairs through naked eye). Today, Patricia Lynne Rorrer resides in State Correctional Institute at Muncy, a medium and maximum security facility that has the highest rate of cancer of all prisons in Pennsylvania, according to a story from northcentralpa.com. They would have no reason to protect Andrew and lie on her. ``Her lawyer said anything we say could be used against her,' Chambers said late Tuesday night. From my point of view this is an extremely similar case, with less class and style, and without the luxurious details that Interpols case had, such as the involvement of an extremely expensive Alfa Romeo car, and a revolver bought at a lush auction in Paris, which had belonged to a duke before the incident. Patricia defaulted on her mortgage and then returned to North Carolina, where she eventually moved in with a boyfriend named Brian Ward. This woman was not innocent, but she is very good at manipulating people into feeling sorry for her. Too bad she got off with just a life sentence. Its patently clear you are another of those who knows too little about this case. But otherwise, extremely similar, a single bullet fired into the head, the woman later beaten to make sure she died, the hair, which had remained in the bracelet of our victim in this case, the way it was executed outside the house in a wooded area, at the command of the gentleman who did not want to soil his house, and the child who in our case was abandoned in the car. Why not question some of this evidence? She only spoke on the phone with him a couple of times a year; when she called that last time, she didnt even know if Andys child was a boy or a girl, and the baby was almost 4 months old. She is right where she belongs for now until she meets satan in the fury of hell. There are those on this very site who express their disappointment she was not executed. Her jealousy and rage because Joann told her to not contact her husband set her off. Ill always say that Tommy Lynn Sells murdered the Routier boys OR the father Darrin did it. Other loyal friends and associates attested to Patricias kindness toward horses and devotion to her daughter, whom she took along as she worked in stables. Meanwhile, the case of the missing mother and baby turned into colossal news across the U.S. and internationally. He would be alive today if it were not for Patricia Rorrer. The mild-mannered Sarah died in 2019 at the age of 83. Oh, and she was so obsessed with him that she started dating and found herself a boyfriend that was not only younger, but much more attractive than Andy? Aside from the hair, there was almost zero forensic evidence. A Patent Pending People Search Process. For the past two years, Patricia Lynne Rorrer was a watched woman. Rorrer called Myers collect from the jail Tuesday afternoon. Patricias defenders also say Andrew Katrinak staged the scene at his house by prying the door and cutting the phone line. Combination locks. Women murder for all kinds of reasons, but the simple facts come down to this.there was physical evidence, the bullet wound matched that of the gun Pat owned, the hairs were Pats and at both scenes, and she had no alibi and she had lied to try and come up with one.and lets not forget the damning words she spoke to her 18 month old daughter that the officer had the common sense to document. And in a piece of salacious testimony, Patricia Rorrers half sister, Sandra Ireland, said that in May 1995, about six months after the murder, their mother, Patricia Chambers, stopped by the house and asked her to hold onto or hide a gun, or both. Also why if beaten with a gun or with whatever, why was there no blood on the clothing? Did you personally attend the trial? Name. Lie detectors are pseudo science. Police believe Rorrer abducted and killed her ex-boyfriend's wife and infant son in Pennsylvania. Ironically its you who is basing your view on second-hand information, as you were not in court. Or the ME and the entomologist that explained how impossible it would be for that baby and mother to be out there for four months, deceased at that, and still be as intact as they were, and the fact that the baby was double the size of a three month old child. Omg so well put! When she stood trial that same year, she maintained her innocence and alleged that she and Andrew Katrinak had continued to stay in touch as good friends, so she wouldn't do anything to hurt him. The news comes after a Romanian court rejected appeals from Mr Tates legal team against a 30-day extension in jail earlier this week. After her arraignment, she had to walk past a crowd of dozens of locals screeching hang her! and baby killer! Patricia clung to a Polaroid picture showing her and her own little girl. Get up-to-the-minute news sent straight to your device. What a lame article. Part of the Daily Mail, The Mail on Sunday & Metro Media Group, 'I felt different to the rest of my family - and my mum felt the same': Prince Harry opens up on his 'broken home' upbringing saying parents rowing in front of children 'is not a good idea' - but FAILS to mention William once in 90min toxic trauma chat, DONALD J TRUMP: The world has finally woken to the truth about the Wuhan virus. What evidence is there she actually left the state? Perhaps youre not aware, there was a great deal of evidence of which these documentaries made no mention, as well as misdeeds and incidents of corruption perpetrated by the cops. They noted houses near the murder scene would have heard a gunshot in December, when no farm equipment is making noise, and question why the murderer didnt just kill Joann inside her house instead of risking being seen in public in her car. Mary was born in August 1891, in Connecticut. MY STATE OF MIND is based on factual information. So would judge and jury say.
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